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Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.
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It appears that your original articles are being plagiarized (republished without attribution to you, and probably without your permission) at http://www.javaprogrammingworld.com/

For example, Lesson 1 at http://www.javaprogrammingworld.com/chap1.htm seems to be exactly your words, only the graphics are omitted.

I stand to be corrected, but you (as author) and SYS-CON (as publisher) might want to pursue this with the owner of the site www.javaprogrammingworld.com

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Webcast: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks. Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Education Series: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks
Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

SYS-CON.TV Education Series: Eclipse IDE For Students, Useful Eclipse Tips and Tricks
Programmers usually work in a so-called Integrated Development Environment (IDE). You can write, compile and run programs there. An IDE also has a Help thingy that describes all elements of the language, and makes it easier to find and fix errors in your programs. While some IDE programs are expensive, there is an excellent free IDE called Eclipse.

FYI, NetBeans is also a free, open source Java IDE that is great for students learning Java. The current stable version is 4.0 and 4.1 is in beta. Downloads are available at:

http://www.netbeans.org/downloads/index.html.

Two great tutorials for getting started quickly are at:

http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/quickstart-40.html
http://www.netbeans.org/kb/articles/quickstart-webapps-40.html

Yakov, thanks for the rapid reply!

No, I'm assuming that you already had a suitable JRE and JDK installed. (I already had been using NetBeans, JBuilder and other Java IDEs with these.)

It suddenly hit me what I've been doing wrongly. I have been unzipping the Eclipse platform downloads (such as eclipse-platform-3.0-win32.zip for Eclipse 3.0 or eclipse-platform-M20050311-win32.zip for Eclipse 3.1 M5). When you do this, you get an IDE that it doesn't have the JDT plug-in installed. If you're used most other IDEs (such as NetBeans, Visual Studio) typically install the compiler and other language development support are installed as part of the base installation procedure.

Some novices might not know of course Eclipse is a little different in this regard, being language-neutral. I did know about this, but still made the mistake of unzipping the wrong download.

When I unzipped the SDK download (such as eclipse-SDK-3.0-win32.zip for Eclipse 3.0 or eclipse-SDK-M20050311-win32.zip for Eclipse 3.1 M5) then sure enough the Java support was sitting there ready to be used "right out of the box" -- so everything is goodness if you do it this way.

If I made this simple mistake, then I'm prepared to bet that others will too. Therefore, let me modify my suggestion to recommend that users need to be warned to download and unzip the "SDK" version of Eclipse and not the "platform" version. Fair enough?

Tony,

As I've mentioned in the article, installation of Eclipse is as simple as downloading and unzipping of the latest stable milestone or latest release.

Your problems may come from the fact that you do not realize that Eclipse does not come with its own Java Run Time.

To make it clear, if you have a brand new computer do the following:

1. Install Java from any of the vendors, i.e. http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp (at the time of this writing you need to download Update 2).

2. Download and unzip latest stable milestone or latest release from eclipse.org.

Reagrds,
Yakov

I am not in any way quibbling with the overall content of Yakov Fain's tutorial "Eclipse for Students & Eclipse Tips".

However -- unless I'm completely off track -- I'd say that there's one FATAL OMISSION in it.

I cannot find my downloads of Eclipse Version 2, but to the best of my knowledge for Eclipse V3, it is NOT correct for Yakov to state, immediately after the unzipping the Eclipse download, that the "Installation of Eclipse is complete!"

I cannot recall if it was different for Eclipse V2, but certainly for Eclipse V3 the novice has to learn that at this stage only the base Eclipse V3 has been installed.

As in several other introductory tutorials that I've examined, Yakov failed to explain that before you can work with Java code you have to (a) understand that the Java Development Toolkit (JDT) plug-in is not yet installed; then (b) Learn how to install plug-ins via the Eclipse Update Manager (EUM) via Help / Software Updates / Find and Install / Search for New Features to Install (and so on) -- not a trivial omission.

As one who tried using Eclipse V3 without reading any documentation, I spent quite a few hours completely frustrated, wondering where the Java support was! It wasn't until I stumbled across the plug-in installation process that I realized that the Java support (the JDT) was a plug-in and why Java was not included in the base download.

I DID look for a simple explanation of the process, but could NOT readily find any description of the procedure anywhere in the Eclipse online Help nor on the eclipse.org web site. Maybe it's there somewhere, but it's certainly hard to find! If anything, it should have been one of the FIRST things described in the Help and should be explained in a crystal-clear fashion somewhere on the web site. should it not?

I strongly recommend that the article be updated to incorporate with this critical procedure, otherwise I fear that the target audience (new to Eclipse, and maybe also to Java) will be quickly become as frustrated as I was at the start of my experimentation with Eclipse V3.

In comparing Eclipse and NetBeans, I found that creating a GUI application on NetBeans is easy. On Eclipse, I could not find a way to do it. Please any one point me to a good tutorial.


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